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 Post subject: Waterlox and stain
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:48 pm 

Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:22 pm
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Location: Quakertown, PA
Well, I tried the 1 part stain to 4 parts WL and it was no where near the color of straight stain. Floor sample was on white pine.
Yea yea, before for ask, I put it on thin and did not wipe it off.
So I think all you guy's who think it looks similar need glass's......

P.S. for Allan ;)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:52 pm 
your right, if the color you want is the color of straight stain that mix will not come close,, but maybe a few more coats of it would, but who wants to do that.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:55 pm 

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Location: Texas
who said they would look the same?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:56 pm 
I think the Mystery poster, but I could be wrong LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:58 pm 

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Location: Quakertown, PA
I read it an old posting, give me a minute and I will find it.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:09 pm 

Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:17 am
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Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Yeah.. i had the same problem when i did an old pine door over the spring... came out WAY too light.. I spoke to the owner or president of WL and i don't believe that more coats will get you what u r looking for either... at least thats what he told me...Still looking to sell my residual Waterlox.. any takers... Benghauser??


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:14 pm 

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Ok, can't find the old post, think it was from 2006
But I still did three coats of the stain mix, waiting for a few hr's between with a fan. And the sample was still way too light.
So now I think I am going 1/2 WL and 1/2 Minwax English Chestnut.
But still need at least two coats.
The job is 900 ft of White Pine, I cannot see straight stain on this and still get paid. LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:52 pm 

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:39 am
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Location: Texas
dont do the 1/2 half mix, I think that'll be too strong. A second dosing wont add much to the color, but it is capable of altering it (done it before.)

I would suggest trying a mix of stains to get what you are after....PITA, but it'll make for an even application...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 pm 

Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:26 pm
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Don't forget that the color depends on the type/brand of stain. The newer fast dry stains do not color up nearly as well as the old fashioned stains when mixed with Waterlox. Try a sample of Quik Dry Duraseal Golden Oak and sample of MinWax Golden Oak. Huge difference. Ric


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:19 pm 
i found what ric was saying to be true on some pine steps i was staining. the minwax colonial maple just disappeared into the pine, and the dura seal was alot darker


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:24 pm 

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:39 pm
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Location: Prescott, Arizona
Tim:
None of the quick-dry stains (i.e. Duraseal) work in the Waterlox.
The driers conflict.
Charlie


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:31 pm 

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that would be te eqaulivilent of doing a 1 part neutral stain 1 part your color....the wl will be or is the neutral stain.....it will dramatically reduce the parts per mill on the pigment dispursion scale...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:35 pm 
Lex,

That's just crazy talk.......LOL


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:00 pm 
charlie


but they work in the quick dry sealers


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:23 am 

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:39 pm
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Location: Prescott, Arizona
Nor:
What you say makes sense. Quick dry stain in quick-dry sealers.
When quick-dry stains are put into the waterlox (not quick-dry), some people have reported a failure. I was talking to Jim Hosea about this and he figured out why it failed. (Jim used to own Arizona Hardwoods)
Back to the drawing board. Remember . . . "Experiment, experiment, experiment . . . and always on the customers' floors!"

Ouch!! (That was Bill Price hitting me in the back of the head for making that statement!)

Charlie


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